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Subject:   Re: Re: Warmists challenge Scientists
Name:   Grant
Date Posted:   Jun 29, 08 - 2:46 AM
Email:   gperkc@aol.com
Message:   I had a looks as well but decided that my Finnish was all that it once was - which was not a lot anyway!

He's clearly not stupid but I think somewhat too trusting of a small group of strong influencers of 'those who are susceptible'. He probably comes from a background and an education that leaves him susceptible at his age. I was probably the same, but without the level of education. It's only with experience of the world and its ways that one moves to a state of questioning everything that one believed at the watershed age around 25.

Hopefully he will come to select his pals more carefully in time.

The problem I have with evangelical science in the mode of Hansen and the congregation it attracts is that, right or wrong, most of the choir seem to have entirely closed minds. Ergo it is not science.

My post about the US Tomato scare illustrates the problems to some extent. In brief;

The Spanish 'cooking oil' tragedy was exacerbated, we discovered much later, by the early assumption that the oil had to be the common factor even though it was not. Once that was established as 'fact' and with a few other 'big influencer' factors no one, including Sir Richard Doll it transpires, was likely to change their mind and so had no need to look for any other opinions.

The current US Tomato scare, according to the piece at Junkfood Science, much the same. Someone has decided that it must be tomatoes (interesting that it's tomatoes again - they were in the frame in Spain as well second time around ... perhaps its their colour?) but they have yet to find a single tomato which is infected despite several weeks (apparently) of trying. If the richest country in the world with all its controls and resources can't identify even one tomato carrying an infection after several weeks of trying and 800 + people apparently infected one has to wonder what is going on. Perhaps the tomato growers are being hung out to dry by the 'Big Lettuce' corporations.

So we see pre-ordained assumptions, possibly arrived at by accident, possibly not. Followed by extensive activity along the wrong paths and huge human and financial costs all leading to an inconclusive 'end' of some sort. (I'm speculating about the current US tomato problem of course, but the pattern seems to be well set.)

The parallels with the AGW school of thought are, to my mind, totally obvious. I wonder if any of the warmists will make the connection and contemplate the way that they approach science, statistics and the economics and politics that follow in their wake?

Grant
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Re: Re: Re: Warmists challenge Scientists by brad tittle · Jul 7, 08 - 9:51 PM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Warmists challenge Scientists by Grant · Jul 7, 08 - 10:46 PM


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