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nipper
 Feb 14, 06 - 6:26 AM |
PDS Vs PDMS
I know this has been discussed before but reading the recent post has made me think about it again. Anyone have any further opinions on which program will become the industry leader in years to come, see any trends developing ? Just curious |
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tyrrp
Feb 14th, 2006 - 9:48 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
It's very simple realy. It doesn't matter who preferes which system. PDS is dead. It is no longer in development and has been replaced. |
Calhoun
Feb 14th, 2006 - 11:04 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
These are clippings from some articles. PDMS AVEVA - the leading supplier of engineering IT systems and services to the process and energy industries - and Autodesk - the leading supplier of desktop design solutions, have announced the formation of a strategic alliance. It is expected that the alliance will be seen as a major force in the process and energy markets. The alliance covers three main areas, as outlined in the press announcement: 1.1 Integration of PDMS and AutoCAD The AVEVA and Autodesk Alliance will provide the industry with the most extended 3D design and drawing delivery solution in the process and energy market place. This solution will benefit the plant design industry by accelerating the creation, delivery and versatility of quality-controlled design documentation to meet clients' requirements. The benefits will be realised through tight integration between the worlds most successfully-deployed, data-centric, 3D design system - AVEVA's VANTAGE Plant Design Management System (PDMS), and the world's leading drafting and documentation solutions offered by Autodesk's AutoCAD products. The integration will provide PDMS users with an AutoCAD-based drafting interface for editing post-production drawings in an AutoCAD environment. PDMS users will be able to design and maintain process plant models and documentation through the data-centric PDMS user interface as well as continue to automate and maintain accuracy and integrity of deliverables. Additionally, final drawing layout and stylistic changes will be made in the AutoCAD environment - an environment familiar to millions of designers around the world. Support of drawing production in other formats will be maintained. PDS Yesterday Intergraph issued a press release (via email, not yet online) about a major customer (Alcoa) agreeing to standardize on Intergraph Plant Design System, PDS. As I said earlier this month in a posting about AVEVA, I don’t usually report software vendor “wins” unless there’s a back story that piques my interest. This time, what drew my attention is the software in question, not the size of the deal or the buyer. PDS has been the market leader for years, but is not a true 3D play or even the state of the art from Intergraph, let alone considering the competition. It relies on an outdated third-party CAD engine (Bentley’s MicroStation V7, formerly known as MicroStation/J—but we won’t go into a revisionist history lesson right now). So why make a big deal out of a five-year standardization agreement? |
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piping 2006
Feb 21st, 2006 - 11:25 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
i do not understand this kind of discussion . I m expatriate in india since 2004 and here on off shore projects we are engineering , PDS is used , and as far as i know other Eng. companies (i talk about major's) are using both , it depends of the client requirements if any. Both softs are working (i do not have time to do some big technical spec comparing the both) , depends only of the guyz who are using it.A tool is a tool and both are efficient in their own way . So how people can say , this one is dead , this one is better ? personnally as a user i definitly prefer PDMS , but as piping designers or leads , today you need to understand the both systems . best regards |
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Anton
Feb 21st, 2006 - 1:05 PM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
I tend to agree with piping 2006. While we all may have our particular favourites, the only opinion that matters is that of the job you are working on. In this day and age, it seems to me, that in order to have a "mobile" cv, you need a number of things, 1. Be a piper 2. know how to design 3. know some 3d package! The 3D package you know (and I'll probably get shot down for this) is, in one way irrelevant. I only say this because, in order to work sucessfully in a 3d environment, you need to have a good grasp of 3d spatial awareness. What I mean by this is that once you know one package, PDS, PDMS, AutoPLANT, CadPIPE, Plant4D etc., etc., etc ... it is quite easy to transfer to another package, YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE THE GROUNDWORK. The one thing that you won't get away with, an any of these packages, is pretending to be piper! My point is this, if you're a piper, and you have a good 3d cad head, once you use one of these packages, you can quickly transfer to another. More importantly, when you leave one company you may need to adapt to another software in order keep yourself in work. So while some software package may be "dying", we must remember that many international corps have invested a lot of time, money and in a lot of cases, development in them. They won't die off too quickly! Just a thought. Anton |
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J.T. Kirk
Mar 3rd, 2006 - 7:57 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
Whay not ask PDS and PDMS to face off to each other on this website, celebrity death-match style! Otherwise we must assume they are both crap! |
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Eye Sew Jen
Mar 8th, 2006 - 7:37 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
Is it really relevant what software is best? Between 2 or 3 firms, thay have the industry sewn up. I can't really see the likes of Plant4d or Autoplant competing with PDMS or PDS, simply because PDS and PDMS are firmly established in the beds of the big design houses and Clients worldwide. A case of which of these evils sits best with you! |
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Peter Pyper
Mar 15th, 2006 - 8:22 PM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
PDS will be replaced by Smartplant. One company in Calgary is offering Smartplant training to hire pipers. |
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Eye Sew Jen
Mar 16th, 2006 - 12:02 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
Right every one ..... off to Canadia! Oh, forgot to ask, who's giving out this training, and what sort of rates are the offering? |
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Pyrex
Apr 18th, 2006 - 2:54 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
PDS users: Fluor (PDMS for one Job) Parsons Bechtel Snams Stones FW JB Paddington (PDS for one Job) Hatch Air Products Kvaerner Portsmouth Jacobs (For new oil and gas work) Kellogg do both Petrofac PDMS Users: KBR Jacobs John Browns Amec Aker BNFL Wood group SPL Simon Carves Costains Fluor (mainly PDS) |
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whatda
Apr 18th, 2006 - 8:01 PM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
I think the real issue is the ability of a company to effectively execute projects with either tool. It comes down to the knowledge of the decision makers to correctly implement either tool and to train and support it. After that one of the biggest problems with either tool is the lack of scalability. Neither is cost effective or practical on small projects, so we have to resort to Acad or Mstation based apps. Smaller engineering firms can't afford the expenditure mostly on people not s/w. PDS has an appeal to managers since they can hire people with Mstation knowledge and use them on 2D work when necessary. PDS needs an update, so here comes Smartplant - I hope it's worth the hype, I've been hearing about it for years. Smartplant will overwhelm exising PDS clients for years in implementation and training. PDMS overall probably has a technical edge, but how does that help me get drawings out the door. Yes, Draft and ADP are powerful tools, but we need to get drawings out without relying on an overwhelmed CAD admin. The problem the industry faces now is how to hire experts in either s/w without breaking the bank. So much for investing in training and preparing for the future...Oh yeah...What do you do about all the Baby Boomer pipers that are going to retire and take all that closely guarded knowledge with them...Want to know the trend? Check what's selling more in India and China... |
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Gautam Wayse
Jun 19th, 2006 - 11:51 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
From discussion it is clearly seen this issue is created by software vendor. I feel PDMS is very strong in Offhore market PDS is leader in onshore but Growth of intergraph is key factor to get big market share for PDS. Aveva did big mistake by buying tribon. |
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Nipper
Jun 21st, 2006 - 12:30 AM |
Re: PDS Vs PDMS
The original post was not posted by a software vendor. I just wanted to get an overall feel for the usuage of both programs in the world today. |
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