At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Aren't you the same asshole that posted on here before?
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Aren't you the same asshole that posted on here before?
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Yeah, it is the same asshole that posted the same stuff on here before. Except this time it looks more like he copied and pasted someone else's explanation of Communism into the message board. The last time he posted, he was a lot less organized. And I have a feeling the same thing will happen as last time too, people will post in reply to him and he won't bother to come back for a debate other than his first post.
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Aren't you the same asshole that posted on here before?
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
I dont know why people bother posting commie rants on here, Aaron usually makes them look like retarded assholes anyways.
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Yeah, it is the same asshole that posted the same stuff on here before. Except this time it looks more like he copied and pasted someone else's explanation of Communism into the message board. The last time he posted, he was a lot less organized. And I have a feeling the same thing will happen as last time too, people will post in reply to him and he won't bother to come back for a debate other than his first post.
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Aren't you the same asshole that posted on here before?
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Aaron
Jan 19, 2003 - 8:41PM
Re: COMMUNISM
Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
ur gay..we had a huge discussion about ur stupid post..what revolution? i dont see people banding together behind u
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MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Doesn't look like he's planning on defending his beliefs. Perhaps that's because he stole a rant from some leftist site, and when someone puts him in his place, he can't back up the shit he said before. What a fuckin' putz.
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MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
sounds like that paul kid, lol did i mention his name?
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Doesn't look like he's planning on defending his beliefs. Perhaps that's because he stole a rant from some leftist site, and when someone puts him in his place, he can't back up the shit he said before. What a fuckin' putz.
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MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
i'm sure he has a lot of guys 'banding' against his asscrack.
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ur gay..we had a huge discussion about ur stupid post..what revolution? i dont see people banding together behind u
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MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
damn it, i told you to keep our secret about us a secret...
now we just have to stop bein friends or people will get suspicious
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i'm sure he has a lot of guys 'banding' against his asscrack.
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ur gay..we had a huge discussion about ur stupid post..what revolution? i dont see people banding together behind u
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MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Trevor the Skin
Jan 21, 2003 - 6:52PM
the last one was me...im an idiot
oh yeah...that last one was me...
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damn it, i told you to keep our secret about us a secret...
now we just have to stop bein friends or people will get suspicious
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i'm sure he has a lot of guys 'banding' against his asscrack.
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ur gay..we had a huge discussion about ur stupid post..what revolution? i dont see people banding together behind u
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MY COMMUNIST FRIENDS AND I LOVE GETTING A RISE OUT OF YOU IDIOTS. I NEVER SAW ANY RESPONSE BY YOU TO MY RANT. JUST REMEMBER I'LL BE THE ONE LAUGHING IN THE END WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES!
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
democratic socialist
Apr 22, 2003 - 9:41PM
Re: Re: COMMUNISM
hey man, sorry to burst your bubble, but as a socialist educated in Marxist thought, let me clear some shit up.
A. 93 billion dead, eh? Have there been 93 billion alive, EVER? No.
B. Marxism is NOT the same as what you are referring to as "communism", i.e. Lenin, Mao, Stalin, etc. Marxism is an internationalist movement (i.e. no countries) with no ruling parties. Most "communists", myself included, hate Lenin, Stalin and the lot as much as any other freedom loving human being, for ruining a good ideal and mass murder.
C. Socialism and communism, though both anti-capitalism, are not the same. Socialism means government control of the economy and regulation, much of which the US now has. That's right, America is a moderately socialist country. Communism is an extreme version of communism, sorta like facism vs. capitalism, calling for revoltion, either ideological or violent. Hope I can help.
Peace, bros.
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
Aaron
Apr 23, 2003 - 9:43AM
Re: Re: Re: COMMUNISM
93 billion was my own fuck up that I should have changed before people started answering my post and correcting me. I meant 93 million and yes those numbers are correct. Between the USSR, North and South Vietnam, North Korea, China, Cuba, Cambodia, Eastern Europe, Afghanistan, Africa, and Latin America.
See I understand that you hate these people. Any normal human would. Good ideal? Maybe on paper, but in real life....no. I've already made my own point clear stating I'm not equal to scum so to put me in the same bracket with them...no thanks. But hey, I suppose to each his own.
I wouldn't call the American government socialist. I consider it more a greedy constitutional republic. But I don't doubt there in a hint of "socialism" in every government. I am well aware there is a difference between socialism and communism. Personally I don't like either.
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hey man, sorry to burst your bubble, but as a socialist educated in Marxist thought, let me clear some shit up.
A. 93 billion dead, eh? Have there been 93 billion alive, EVER? No.
B. Marxism is NOT the same as what you are referring to as "communism", i.e. Lenin, Mao, Stalin, etc. Marxism is an internationalist movement (i.e. no countries) with no ruling parties. Most "communists", myself included, hate Lenin, Stalin and the lot as much as any other freedom loving human being, for ruining a good ideal and mass murder.
C. Socialism and communism, though both anti-capitalism, are not the same. Socialism means government control of the economy and regulation, much of which the US now has. That's right, America is a moderately socialist country. Communism is an extreme version of communism, sorta like facism vs. capitalism, calling for revoltion, either ideological or violent. Hope I can help.
Peace, bros.
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Damn you must REALLY have no life to come to a board and type all that nonsense out. Did they not like you at the communist boards or are you just jacking their material for a debate? Nonetheless, I will make it my duty to make you look like the dumbass that you are.
I notice how you start off the debate with "At one point," as in not anymore. And you want to know WHY communists don't make up that much of the world anymore? Because the common folk or workers realized it was a bunch of bullshit and revolted. Read up on it. I doubt there are many books with people that have lived under communism that actually fuckin' liked it. And don't bother with the "well the world has never used real communism" crap, because if we haven't already seen real communism, we never will. All I know is that this practice communism, stalinism, socialism, whatever the fuck you want to call it didn't work and the result of it was 93 billion dead. I don't know what kind of fuckin' dream world you are living in, but I suggest you wake the fuck up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a worker who sees it like this. I don't want to be equal to ANYONE who doesn't pull their share. And if I work my ass off, I do expect to be promoted and paid a shitload more money. I do not want to live in a commune and feel like I'm living in the 1800's. I am not equal to losers on the streets. I'm not equal to morons. Now this argument has dragged on enough. Pick up a fuckin' book. Get some facts on communism and it's effects on people. Wise up or get the fuck out of my country. Go try living in Cuba for awhile. I can almost bet my ass you'll come back on the tire with the rest of the Cuban immigrants and I'll be waiting with my trusty shotgun on the border.
This argument is worthless. I fought with you the last time you came on here bashing capitalism and you didn't have the fuckin' balls to answer back. Grow some balls or stop wasting our fucking time with your hippy bullshit.
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At one point one-third of the world's population was Communist. That is a lot of people. So it makes you wonder if there is any thing to this governmental system. Well, here in the Western world Communism has a bad reputation; partially undeserved. Most of it is because people have viewed what the former U.S.S.R. and China have done are common in a Communist world. That is simply not true. I am going to attempt to explain Communism and the reasoning behind it as presented by Carl Marx.
When Carl Marx rewrote the Communist Manifesto, he applied all of his philosophical and scientific knowledge to support his beliefs in Communism. A large portion of Marx's beliefs stemmed from the philosophy of Georg Hegel. Hegel developed further the dialectical laws that Socrates and Plato help start. Marx believed in Hegel's ideas of the dialectic and applied it to Communism and his support for it. He also said that history is continually improving itself and following the dialectical laws of the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. So Hegel believed history is going to improve upon itself infinitely. This is where Marx deviates from Hegel. Marx said that history has followed the dialectical laws up to this point. First it was primative Communism, this lead to a master/slave economy, then the feudal system, and now to Capitalism. What Marx said was that the synthesis of Capitalism is Communism, which is the ultimate economic and political system. So Marx believed that Communism is going to be the end of the world in terms of governments and economic systems.
One of the strange things about Communism is that it is both an economic system and form of government. Most of it, though, is based on the economic system, and its government side stems from this economic system. Anyway, what Marx said is that Capitalism does not work. Throughout history, all the way up to this point, the economy has been based on the division of labor. This belief says that since Capitalism and all of its predecessors were based on having an owner and a worker and this caused a division between labor and owners. This division of labor led to the worker to now be valued not as a person but as what he can produce. This has also led to people to devalue themselves by being forced to perform a single job and not multiple jobs to raise one's self-worth. Being a laborer this causes the need for an owner to own what the laborer needs to produce his product. This causes the laborer to be dependent on the owner. This is called alienation because of the separation between owner and worker.
So where does this leave us? Well, since the proletariat (the workers) are not willing to stand aside and allow the bourgeoisie to gain from their hard work. This is going to lead to a need to overthrow Capitalism and move to Communism. To do this the proletariat are going to have a revolution. This revolution is going to have the proletariat setting up a provisional government that will own everything. They will keep the country running until the rest of the world catches up and throws off their Capitalist shackles. This provisional government will have complete control; including total censorship. This is to make sure that the people are not affected by the corrupt Capitalist world and be turned from the "right" path of Communism. It is in the best interest of the people, after all.
Okay, we now have had a bloody revolution, destroying Capitalism. So now what? Well that provisional government is dissolved. It has served its purpose, but now it is anti-Communistic. In Communism there is no formal government. Everyone lives in a Commune, which is essentially a small community. Everyone is treated equal; from pay to housing and food. This way you do what you enjoy for your work and do not taking anything you don't need to make sure that everyone gets their basic needs taken care of. So everyone is equal. No one is treated above anyone else. There are no classes anymore, we are all one class of people. Of course, if someone goes against this they are dealt with, but that is the price of paradise. All pretty nifty, huh?
So if this all seems so nice, then why aren't we all Communists? Well, there are some problems with Communism. One is that Communism is sometimes considered a Utopian government. This means that Communism can be considered too perfect; to the point that it can not be reached because of the requirement put upon people. Two more complaints deal with the revolution to come. One of the complaints is that their are no concrete plans on how to bring about the revolution. Marx said that there must be one, but he never says how to go about it. Oh well, it is no longer his problem, now is it? The other is the violence required for the revolution. Marx emphasized how in order for the revolution to work it must completely sweep all traces of Capitalism from the face of the earth, at any cost. This all leads to a certain fanaticism among Communists. They all firmly believe in their ideals and are willing to go to any length for it. It can be compared to a religion; something Communists hate since they detest religions. All of this is why if Communism ever does occur it will stay for a while. Communists will do anything to keep any snags from getting out of control; Pavlov and behavior-control experiments shall guarantee this. So it is now up to you to choose whether you want to take up the call Marx made to all hard-working people of the world to turn this world into a Utopia of equal perfection.
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