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TRANSFORMATION BY BEHOLDING THE GLORY OF YHWH

Every Christian is a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, as we all should know from our experience and from feedback that others give us -- as well as our own observation of other Christians. At one time we may act as filled with the Spirit and at another time as a child of Adam. This situation is the result of two facts: (1) We have been born again -- old things have passed away and all has become new; (2) We still have indwelling Sin, which dwells in our "flesh" (old human nature or old man) See 1 John: If we say that we have no Sin, we deceive ourselves; See Romans 7, where Sin is said to dwell in our "flesh."
The difference between being in the Old Man status and in the New Man status is trans-form-ation (meta-morph-o-sis). The Christian has two forms (Greek word morphe = form). Romans 12:1-2 and 2 Cor. 3:18 speak directly to the issue of transformation. In Galatians Paul states that he is in travail until Christ be formed (morphed) in the readers. Ephesians speaks of putting off the Old Man and putting on the New Man. Romans 13 speaks of putting on Christ.

Scripture indicates at least 2 ways of enhancing the transformantion. One is meditating on the love of Christ, which constrains us. The other is beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord ( = the Lord Jesus), who is the founder of the new race of man, a race which has the Christ form. The "mirror" at our disposal is the Bible (see James on mirror).

One can get out one's Bible and highlight the passages wherein the Glory of YHWH (Yahweh, Jehovah = THE LORD)is presented, although in a secondary sense all of scripture shows His glory. I will quote some of the passages on the Glory of YHWH below. To view more of them I direct you to my own website: BibleAndTheology.com

KEY PASSAGES ON THE GLORY OF YHWH

GLORY OF YHWH

Genesis 3:24b
he placed at the east of the garden of Eden the Cherubim, and the flame of a sword
which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Gen 15:17b
behold, a smoking furnace, and a flaming torch that passed between these pieces.

EX 3:2
And the angel of YHWH appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a
bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was
not consumed.

Ex 13:21-22
And YHWH went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way,
and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light, that they might go by day and by
night: {13:22} the pillar of cloud by day, and the pillar
of fire by night, departed not from before the people.

Ex 15:12
You stretched out Your right hand, The earth swallowed them.

Ex 16:10b
the glory of YHWH appeared in the cloud.

Ex 19:16b
there were thunders and lightnings
and a thick cloud upon the mount
and the voice of a trumpet exceeding loud;

Ex 20:18a
And all the people perceived
the thunderings and the lightnings and
the voice of the trumpet and
the mountain smoking;

Ex 20:21b
Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

Ex 24:9
and they saw the God of Israel and there was under his feet as it were a paved
work of sapphire stone and, as it were, the very heaven for clearness.

Ex 24:15
And Moses went up into the mount,
and the cloud covered the mount.
{24:16} And the glory of YHWH abode upon mount Sinai,
and the cloud covered it six days;
and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. {24:17}
And the appearance of the glory of YHWH was
like devouring fire on the top of the mount
in the eyes of the children of Israel.
{24:18} And Moses entered into the midst of the cloud,

Ex 33:9b
And it came to pass, when Moses entered into the Tent, the pillar of cloud
descended and stood at the door of the Tent: and [YHWH] spoke with Moses.
{33:10} And all the people saw the pillar of cloud stand at the door of the Tent;

Ex 33:18
And he said, Show me, I pray You, Your glory. {33:19} And He said,
I will make all my goodness pass before You and
I will proclaim the name of YHWH before You . . . .

Ex 34:5
And YHWH
descended in the cloud and
stood with him there and
proclaimed the name of YHWH.
{34:6} And YHWH passed by before him, and proclaimed, YHWH:
YHWH, a God
merciful and gracious,
slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness and truth,
{34:7} keeping lovingkindness for thousands,
forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin;
and Who will by no means clear [the guilty],
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children and
upon the children's children,
upon the third and upon the fourth generation.

Ex 40:34
Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting,
and the glory of YHWH filled the tabernacle.
And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of meeting because
the cloud abode thereon, and
the glory of YHWH filled the tabernacle.
And when the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle,
the children of Israel went onward throughout all their journeys;
but if the cloud was not taken up,
then they did not journey till the day that it was taken up.
For the cloud of YHWH was upon the tabernacle by day,
and here was fire therein by night in the sight of all the house of Israel
throughout all their journeys.

Lev 9:23
And Moses and Aaron
went into the tent of meeting and
came out and
blessed the people,
and the glory of YHWH appeared unto all the people. {9:24} And there came
forth fire from before YHWH, and consumed upon the altar the burnt-offering and
the fat: and when all the people saw it, they shouted, and fell on their faces.

Lev 16:2b
I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy-seat.

Num 9:15
And on the day that the tabernacle was reared up
the cloud covered
the tabernacle, even
the tent of the testimony; and
at even
it was upon the tabernacle as it were the appearance of fire
until morning.
So it was always:
the cloud covered it, and
the appearance of fire by night.

And whenever the cloud was taken up from over the Tent,
then after that
the children of Israel journeyed;
and in the place where
the cloud abode, there the children of Israel encamped.
At the commandment of YHWH the children of Israel journeyed, and
at the commandment of YHWH they encamped;
as long as the cloud abode upon the tabernacle they remained encamped.
And when the cloud tarried upon the tabernacle many days,
then the children of Israel
kept the charge of YHWH and
did not.
And sometimes the cloud was a few days upon the tabernacle;
then according to the commandment of YHWH they remained encamped, and
according to the commandment of YHWH they journeyed.
And sometimes the cloud was from evening until morning;
and when the cloud was taken up in the morning, they journeyed;
or [ if it continued ] by day and by night,
when the cloud was taken up, they journeyed.
Whether it were two days or a month or a year
that the cloud
tarried upon the tabernacle,
abiding thereon,
the children of Israel
remained encamped and
did not journey;
but when it was taken up, they journeyed.

Num 11:1
And the people were as
murmerers,
[ speaking ] evil in the ears of YHWH;
and when YHWH heard it,
His anger was kindled; and
the fire of YHWH burned among them and devoured . . . .

Num 12:5
And YHWH
came down in a pillar of cloud and
stood at the door of the Tent . . . .

Num 14:10b
And the glory of YHWH appeared in the tent of meeting unto all the children of
Israel.

Num 14:13b
They have heard that
You YHWH are in the midst of this people, for
You YHWH are seen face to face, and
Your cloud stands over them, and
You go before them
in a pillar o cloud by day and
in a pillar of fire by night.

Num 14:21b
all the earth shall be filled with the glory of YHWH

Num 16:35a
And fire came forth from YHWH and devoured the 250 men . . . .

Num 16:42b
they looked toward the Tent of Meeting, and behold,
the cloud covered it, and
the glory of YHWH appeared.

Num 20:6
And Moses and Aaron
went . . . unto the door of the Tent of Meeting, and
fell upon their faces;
and the glory of YHWH appeared unto them.

Deut 4:11
And You* came near and stood under the mountain;
and the mountain
burned with fire unto the heart of heaven,
with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness. {4:12}
And YHWH spoke unto You* out of the midst of the fire;
You* heard the voice of words, but
You saw no form; only a voice.

12:18
For You* have not come unto
[ a mount]
that might be touched and
that burned with fire, and unto
blackness and
darkness and
tempest 19 and
the sound of a trumpet and
the voice of words,
which [voice] they who heard entreated
that no word more should be spoken unto them;
20 for they could not endure that which was enjoined:

If even a beast touch the mountain,
it shall be stoned.

21 (And so fearful was the appearance, [that] Moses said:

I exceedingly fear
and quake.)

22 But You* are come
unto mount Zion and
unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem and
to innumerable hosts of angels,
23 to the general assembly and
church of the firstborn who are enrolled in Heaven and
to God the Judge of all and
to the spirits of just men made perfect 24 and
to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant and
to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than [that of] Abel.

Deut 4:24

For YHWH Your God is a devouring fire, a jealous God.

Deut 4:33

Did ever a people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, . . .
, and live?

Deut 4:36

Out of heaven he made You to hear His voice
that He might instruct You, and
upon earth he made You to see his great fire.
And You heard His words out of the midst of the fire.

Dt 5:22a THE 10 COMMANDS

These words YHWH
spoke unto all Your assembly in the mount
out of the midst
of the fire,
of the cloud, and
of the thick darkness,
with a great voice: and he added no more.

Dt 5:24b
Behold YHWH our God has showed us
His glory and
His greatness,
and we have heard
His voice out of the midst of
the fire;

Dt 5:25b
for this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice . . . any more

Dt 9:3

Know therefore this day that YHWH Your God is He Who goes over before You
as a devouring fire; He will destroy them,

Dt 31:15
And YHWH
appeared in the Tent in
a pillar of cloud; and
the pillar of cloud
stood over the door of the Tent.

Dt 32:40-42
For if I
lift up my hand to heaven and
say
As I live forever;
if I
whet the lightning of My sword, And
my hand take hold on judgment;
I will render vengeance to my adversaires,
I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, And
my sword shall devour flesh; . . . .

Dt 33:1b-33a
Moses . . . said:
YHWH came from Sinai
and rose from Seir unto them;
He shined forth from mount Paran, and
He came from the ten thousands of holy ones:
At his right hand was a fiery law for them.
{33:3} Yea, he loveth the people;
All His saints are in Your hand;

Judges 13:19b
. . . YHWH . . . did wondrously, and
Manoah and his wife looked on.
For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar,
that MALACH YHWH ascended in the flame of the altar; . . . .

2 Sam 22:9- ~ Ps 18 (messianic)

Then the earth shook and trembled,
The foundations of heaven
quaked And
were shaken, because
He was wroth.
There went up a smoke out of His nostrils,
And fire out of his mouth devoured;
Coals were kindled by it.

He bowed the heavens also and came down;
And thick darkness was under his feet. And

He rode upon a cherub and flew; Yea,
He was seen upon the wings of the wind. And

He made
darkness pavilions round about him,
Gathering of waters,
thick clouds of the skies.

At the brightness before him Coals of fire were kindled.

YHWH thundered from heaven, And
the Most High uttered his voice. And
He sent out
arrows and scattered them,
Lightning and discomfited them.
Then
the channels of the sea appeared,
The foundations of the world were laid bare
By the rebuke of YHWH,
At the blast of the breath of His nostrils.

He sent from on high, He took Me;
He drew Me
out of many waters;
He delivered Me
from My strong enemy,
from them that hated Me; for
they were too mighty for Me.
They came upon Me in the day of My calamity; But
YHWH was My stay.
He brought Me forth also into a large place;
He delivered Me, because He delighted in Me.

2 Sam 22:29
For You are my lamp, O YHWH.
And YHWH will lighten my darkness.

Psalm 18:6-

6 In My distress called upon YHWH . . . ;
He heard My voice out of his temple, . . . .
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations also of the mountains quaked and were shaken,
Because He was wroth.

8 There went up a smoke out of His nostrils,
And fire out of his mouth devoured;
Coals were kindled by it.

9 He bowed the heavens also,
And came down;
And thick darkness was under His feet.

10 And He rode upon a cherub,
And did fly;
Yea, He soared upon the wings of the wind.

11 He made darkness His hiding-place,
His pavilion round about him,
Darkness of waters,
Thick clouds of the skies.
12 At the brightness before Him
His thick clouds passed,
Hailstones
And coals of fire.

13 YHWH also thundered in the heavens,
And the Most High uttered his voice,
Hailstones And
coals of fire.
14 And He sent out his arrows and scattered them;
Yea, lightnings manifold, and discomfited them.

15 Then the channels of waters appeared,
And the foundations of the world were laid bare,
At Your rebuke, O YHWH,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

16 He sent from on high;
He took me;
He drew me out of many waters.
17 He delivered me from my strong enemy . . . .

2 Sam 23:4
[He shall be]
as the light of the morning
when the sun rises --
a morning without clouds,
[when] the tender grass [springs] out of the earth,
through clear shining after rain.

[Jesus shines brighter, Jesus shines purer]

1 Kings 8:10b

And it came to pass,
when the priests had come out of the holy place, that
the cloud filled the House of YHWH so that
the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud;
for the glory of YHWH filled the house of YHWH.
Then Solomon spoke: YHWH has said that He would dwell in the thick
darkness.

2 Kings 19:15b
Hezekiah . . . said:
O YHWH, the God of Israel,
Who sits (/ are enthroned) [ above ] the cherubim,
You are the God, even You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth;
You have made heaven and earth.

2 Chronicles 5:13-6:2
And it came to pass
when the trumpeters and singers were
as one,
to make one sound . . . and
praised YHWH, [saying ],
For He is good,
for His lovingkindness [endures ] forever;
that then the house was filled with a cloud,
even the House of YHWH,
so that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud;
for the glory of YHWH filled the House of God.
Then Solomon spoke:
YHWH has said that He would dwell in the thick daarkness.
But I have built You a house . . . .

2 Chronicles 7:1-3
Now when Solomon had made an end of praying,
the fire
came down from heaven and
consumed
the burnt-offering and
the sacrifices; and
the glory of YHWH filled the house. {7:2} And
the priests could not enter into the house of YHWH, because
the glory of YHWH filled YHWH's house. {7:3}
And all the children of Israel looked on when
the fire came down, and
the glory of YHWH was upon the house; . . . .

Job 26:9
He incloses the face of His throne
and spreads His cloud upon it.

Job 36:30-33 ELIHU says:

Behold, He spreads His light around Him [or thereon ];
And He covers the bottom of the sea.
{36:31} For by these He judges the peoples;
He gives food in abundance.
{36:32} He covers his hands with the lightning,
And gives it a charge that it strike the mark.
{36:33} The noise thereof tells concerning Him,
The cattle also concerning [the storm] that comes up.

Job 37:22 ELIHU says:

Out of the north comes golden splendor;
God has upon Him terrible majesty.

Job 40:9

Do You have an arm like God?
And can You thunder with a voice like Him?
Deck Yourself now with excellency and dignity and
array Yourself with honor and majesty.
Pour forth the overflowings of Your anger and
look upon everyone that is proud and abase him.

Ps 21:3b,5 “THE KING”

You set a crown of fine gold on His head. . . .
His glory is great in Your salvation;
Honor and majesty You do lay upon Him.

Ps 24:7b-8, 10b
the King of glory will come in.
Who is the King of glory?
Jehovah strong and mighty,
Jehovah mighty in battle.

10b Jehovah of hosts, He is the King of glory.

Ps 29:b-

Ascribe unto YHWH glory and strength.

2 Ascribe unto YHWH the glory due unto his name;
Worship YHWH in holy array.

3 The voice of YHWH is upon the waters;
The God of glory thunders,
Even YHWH upon many waters.

4 The voice of YHWH is powerful;
The voice of YHWH is full of majesty.

5 The voice of YHWH breaks the cedars;
Yea, YHWH breaks in pieces the cedars of Lebanon.
6 He makes them also to skip like a calf;
Lebanon and Sirion like a Young wild-ox.

7 The voice of YHWH cleaves the flames of fire.

8 The voice of YHWH shakes the wilderness;
YHWH shakes the wilderness of Kadesh.

9 The voice of YHWH makes the hinds to calve
And strips the forests bare.

And in his temple everything says, Glory.

10 YHWH sat [as King] at the Flood;
Yea, YHWH sits as King forever.

Ps 31:15-16
But I trusted in You, O YHWH:
I said:
You are my God;
My times are in Your hand;
Deliver me . . . .
Make Your face to shine upon Your servant;
Save me in Your lovingkindness.

Ps 50:1-3
The Mighty One, God, YHWH
has spoken and
called the earth
from the rising of the sun
unto the going down thereof.
Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty,
God has shined forth.
Our God
comes and
does not keep silence.
A fire devours before Him, and
It is very tempestuous round about Him.

Ps 68:32b-35
sing praises unto the Lord;
To Him Who rides upon the heaven of heavens, which are of old;
Lo, He utters His voice, a mighty voice.
Ascribe* strength unto God;
His excellency is over Israel
and His strength is in the skies.
O God, [You are] terrible out of Your holy places: . . . .

Ps 77:13-
13 Your way, O God, is in the sanctuary;
Who is a great god like unto God?

14 You are the God Who does wonders;
You have made known Your strength among the peoples.

15 You have with Your arm redeemed Your people,
The sons of Jacob and Joseph. (Selah)

16 The waters saw You, O God;
The waters saw You,
They were afraid;
The depths also trembled.

17 The clouds poured out water;
The skies sent out a sound;
Your arrows also went abroad.

18 The voice of Your thunder was in the whirlwind;
The lightnings lightened the world;
The earth trembled and shook.

19 Your way was in the sea,
And Your paths in the great waters,
And Your footsteps were not known.

20 You led Your people like a flock
By the hand of Moses and Aaron.

Ps 84:11
For YHWH is a sun and a shield;
YHWH will give grace and glory; . . . .

Ps 84:6-7
For who in the skies can be compared unto YHWH?
Who among hte sons of the mighty is like unto YHWH,
A God very terrible in the council of the holy ones,
and to be feared above all them who are round about Him?

Ps 93:1-4
YHWH reigns;
He is clothed with majesty;
YHWH is clothed with strength;
He has girded himself therewith.
The world also is established that it cannot be moved.
2 Your throne is established of old;
You are from everlasting.

3 The floods have lifted up, O YHWH,
The floods have lifted up their voice;
The floods lift up their waves.
4 Above the voices of many waters,
The mighty breakers of the sea,
YHWH on high is mighty.

Ps 97:1-5
YHWH reigns;
Let the earth rejoice;
Let the multitude of isles be glad.

2 Clouds and darkness are round about Him;
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne.
3 A fire goes before Him
And burns up His adversaries round about.
4 His lightnings lightened the world;
The earth saw and trembled.
5 The mountains melted like wax at the presence of YHWH,
At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Ps 99:1
YHWH reigns;
Let the peoples tremble;
He sits [above] the cherubim;
Let the earth be moved.

2 YHWH is great in Zion;
And He is high above all the peoples.
3 Let them praise Your great and terrible name;
Holy is He.

Ps 99:6

Moses and Aaron . . . and Samuel . . .
They called upon YHWH,
and He answered them.
He spoke unto them in the pillar of cloud.

Ps 104:1-8
1 O YHWH my God,
You are very great;
You are clothed with honor and majesty,
Who covers Yourself with light as with a garment

3 Who lays the beams of His chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks upon the wings of the wind,
4 Who makes winds His messengers,
Flames of fire his ministers,
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth,
That it should not be moved forever.

6 You covered it with the deep as with a vesture;
The waters stood above the mountains.
7 At Your rebuke they fled;
At the voice of Your thunder they hasted away
8 (The mountains rose,
the valleys sank down)

Ps 104: 31-32
Let the glory of YHWH endure forever.
Let YHWH rejoice in His works:
Who looks on the earth, and it trembles;
He touches the mountains, and they smoke.

Ps 105:39-41

39 He spread a cloud for a covering
And fire to give light in the night.

40 They asked and he brought quail
And satisfied them with the bread of heaven.

41 He opened the rock and waters gushed out;
They ran in the dry places [like] a river.

Isaiah 2:19

And men shall go
into the caves of the rocks and
into the holes of the earth
from before the terror of YHWH
when He arises to shake mightily the earth.

4:2
In that day the Branch of YHWH
Shall be beautiful and glorious, . . .
For them who are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion, . . .
Shall be called holy; . . .
4 When the Lord . . . shall have purged
The blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof,
by the Spirit of Justice and
by the Spirit of Burning.
5 And YHWH will create
over the whole habitation of Mount Zion and
over her assemblies,
a cloud and smoke by day, And
the shining of a flaming fire by night. For
over all the glory [shall be spread] a covering.
6 And there shall be a pavilion
For a shade in the day-time from the heat, and
for a refuge and
for a covert from storm and from rain.






















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