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Re: Today We Remember That Christ Died for (anti) Us

Sorry to hear that Haydn was a papist; I regret that he was not a catholic like myself.

Mary is not prominent in the Passion of Christ; she is there & one of the 7 words is for her indeed. She did not pay for our sins; & it is idolatrous and blasphemous to assert such a thing. Co-redemptress is a heresy.

I don't know why you call Handel's Messiah "Pseudo-Christian." I believe that all of the lyrics are direct quotes from the Bible.

Since Dubois was a papist, you probably will like his work. Unfortunately he does have a little mariolatry in it. And he confounds the cry of desolation (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me) with Israel's rejection of the Lord Jesus. "Vine, I have chosen, have cho-o-sen, have chosen, vine that I have planted; how art thou converted, converted to bitterness, that thou wilt crucify me." I just compartmentalize it in my mind since His rejection by Israel is certainly a factor. But the forsaking is by God (the wages of sin is death, eternal separation from God, our deserved fate in the Lake of Fire), and that is what Christ endured for us; eternal God able to exhaust the punishment of God in 3 hours. Are you familiar with Anselm's work on the atonement?

Dubois is also politically incorrect. I believe that the original lyrics (in English) was "And the Jews in passing by Him, did blaspheme & revile Him." This is sanitized now to "And the crowd in passing by Him . . . ." They jeer, BAH! BAH! BAH! BAH!

When I first heard this work, perhaps when I sang it in choir as a teenager, at one point it was like electricity jumping through me, during the 5th Word "I am athirst." The Christ figure sings pitifully and slowly "I am ath-irst." pause. Choir jumps in all together like, "BAH!" Those who never heard it before are given a jolt.