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"Without hot air"

Greg at Engtips posted this link to an online book about our energy situation.
I just dived in at random and am reading it now.
See what you think.
Maybe our Bending Author might review it... the author is taking a look at some of the facts and figures behind the rhetoric.
http://www.withouthotair.com/

Re: "Without hot air"

Great tip. Thanks for the "heads-up" on this.

Last week there was a serious study/report published about the *true* cost of wind power - seems like the petrol price increases of the past few years will be nothing compared to the cost of "intermittent" power.
Links:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/wind_intermittency_study/
(The registers commentary on the report)

http://www.ilexenergy.com/pages/documents/reports/renewables/Intermittency%20Public%20Report%202_0.pdf
(the report itself)

Re: "Without hot air"

The book was discussed in this forum two months ago in May, but one problem with that particular discussion thread is that it was a 'resurrected' thread which would only be easily visible to people viewing the forum in 'board style'. People who view the forum in 'threaded style' would have to go way back to June 2008 to see the thread.

One possible impact of the book is that it may have led to the recent standing down of Jonathon Porritt as Chairman (or 'Chair' as he would no doubt call himself) of the Sustainable Development Commission (SDC) quango. There is a strong implication in the book that those currently in charge of 'sustainability' are just indulging in talking hot air without having any properly thought-out plan and Porritt would be the obvious culprit for the existence of that situation.

Re: "Without hot air"

There is at least one Bogus Number in the report, namely the worldwide reserves of uranium. This repeats the old trick of only counting uranium in mines that are being actively exploited today, rather than honestly estimating the actual reserves.

New paper demonstrates low climate sensitivity to CO2

Greg also posted a link (http://www.leif.org/EOS/2009GL039628-pip.pdf) to this report which seems quite interesting but will take me a while to comprehend by myself but it is also found on the "Watts Up With That?" web site with discussion at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/23/.

Of course, Lintzen is by now classed as a "denier"... so no doubt this bit of real science will be disregarded by our lords and masters.

Re: New paper demonstrates low climate sensitivity to CO2

This is probably a stupid comment but as far as I can understand the stuff about solar radiation warming the surface of the ocean they seem to be considering a flat, static ocean surface.

More on Porritt

Many people are likely to be pleased at the news that Jonathon Porritt has stood down after nine years as head of the Sustainable Development Commission quango. It sounds as though the taxpayer is no longer paying for Porritt's activities.

Unfortunately Porritt is still milking the taxpayer through his "Forum for the Future" charity. About £2 million income for that 'charity' per year is coming from government funding sources according to the "Fake Charities" website.

http://fakecharities.org/pages/posts/forum-for-the-future60.php