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Re: CO2 important for plant growth

torture -- as defined by recent definitions is anything that makes you uncomfortable.

Make a person listen to Hillary Clinton speeches for days on end ... Torture.
Make a person think that they will be water boarded -- Torture.

We will lump these offenses in with other forms of torture that will leave the person dead.

I do not wish to condone torture. One should recognize the differences in style. Demonizing those who are striving to protect can be counter productive.

Re: CO2 important for plant growth

The DECC press release has been modified now, the '100 C' has been changed to '10 degrees C' but the 4th Sept date on the press release has been kept.

There are some other numbers in it that look dubious, the West Midlands' "low carbon sector accounts for some £8.4 billion of the region’s economy, comprising 4,179 companies with around 74,000 employees". I think this an example of the loose definition of a 'low carbon job' pointed out by the Times a couple of months ago.

Re: CO2 important for plant growth

It's off-topic really, but if what they did at Guantanamo Bay wasn't torture they wouldn't have bothered doing it. One might as well face that fact that waterboarding, for instance, is torture. You'd certainly think it was if it were done to you. But, as George Orwell said "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." I sometimes wish I could be as certain about right and wrong as many people are.

Re: CO2 important for plant growth


(Still off topic)
I don't think you'd want to be as certain of right and wrong as some people.

I suspect it's only those who see everything in black and white that are capable of this. And this sort of thinking is often associated with personality disorders / problems.....

Re: CO2 important for plant growth [Is that not blindingly obvious]

Very much on topic.

That the public mind should need this demonstrated, proves conclusively that the 'Dumbing Down' process has been a success!