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Defkalion green is also a very interesting company:
I didn't realise there was also a forum about steorn, at:
according to this forum, there was a substantial amount of investment into steorn.
Just following up on the Greenie scams and the "Anti-Human" aspect of all these scams which appear to be traceable back to people Like Maurice Strong.
It appears that Strong et Al (e.g. Al gore) had an interest in a company called Molten Metals Inc.
This was a metal reprocessing company that made great claims for the environmental benefits of recycling.
They attracted lots of DOE funding (many millions of dollars of tax payer money) and delivered nothing.
It may be that a lot of these projects which offer "clean cheap free" energy and claim environmental benefits may well be being floated specifically to obtain government funds.
Whether or not Steorn is an example is another matter but no doubt if they can claim to be able to demonstrate some potential then they will be well positioned to claim vast sums of government money.
There are a a lot of such companies out their with their snake oil solutions and we may tend to dismiss them as scams and wonder why the people behind them bother.
The answer is that they can make money.
Think 419 Nigerian advance fee email scams.
To most of us they are blatantly obvious as scams. But the reason they keep coming is that they do work.
There is always someone ready to believe.
An individual scammer targetting a single person won't make any money.
An organised group of scammers shotgunning the vast internet connected population makes a lot of money.
One example of how even barely legal scams make money is the phone call you'll get from some one who implies Microsoft has reported to them you are having some computer issues.
They will take control over your computer, take you to the system logs files and show you all the red alert messages. They then sign you up for a year's maintenance contract and maybe they'll do a system restore for you. They may or may not fix the problem.
They will certainly take a lot of money from you.
Microsoft did a survey and found the success of these scams surprisingly high and the revenue generated extraordinary.
All of it unnecessary.
It seems people are increasingly vulnerable as pseudo science gains the upper hand and in all areas.
Even in legitimate business we are taken for turkeys. We live, as Dilbert's creator says, in a "confusopoly" world where companies are able to maintain high prices by by-passing the competitive element. Try buying a mobile phone or signing up for electricity and gas supply and see how difficult it is to compare offers and find the best deal. How many people ever use those 100 free minutes or texts? How well do you benefit from those different tarrifs on gas and electricity?
Small wonder the world is vulnerable to AGM scams and population scams.
ANd yes, the Oceans may be the next big scam, in part because we know so little about them, and thus we are open to suggestion.